I'm a little more techy than Oprah. I hope you don't mind.

I'm a little less techy than most of your guests, I would imagine.

Hi, everyone, from New York Magazine and the Vox Media Podcast Network.

This is on with Kara Swisher, and I'm Kara Swisher.

We're smack in the middle of the dog days of summer, and I'm sure a lot of people are taking time on the weekends or during vacation to relax with a good book.

So we thought we do the same with you today and talk about a new novel that's been getting a lot of attention, including from Oprah, but it is right in our wheelhouse. It's called culpability, and it's written by my guest today, Bruce Holzinger. Culpability is a family drama centering around the way that technology,

especially artificial intelligence, has become woven into our lives and the moral and ethical

issues that can arise as a result.

Who is responsible? Who is culpable when things go awry? And how do we make it right again?

This has everything for someone like me. It has AI. It's got drones. It's got chatbots, stuff that I cover all year long.

And actually, it's written with a lot of intelligence. A lot of this stuff usually tries to scaremonger and stuff like that. It's an incredibly nuanced book. It brings up a lot of issues and most important it allows you to talk about them in a way that is discernible. I think a lot more people, especially since Oprah Winfrey made it, her book club selection We'll read it. And that's a good thing,

because we should all be talking about these issues. Hulsinger is also a professor of medieval

literature at the University of Virginia, kind of far away from these topics. So I want to talk

to him about how he thinks about generative AI in his work settings, too, as a teacher, as an

academic, and as a writer. Our expert question comes from Professor Kurt Gray,

incoming director of the Collaborative for Science of Polarization

and Misinformation at Ohio State University.

So pull up your beach blanket and stick around.

Thank you. And stick around.

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