Hey Jim Daley here. If you like the focus on the family broadcast and haven't

grown tired of this voice just yet, you'll love my ReFocus podcast. On ReFocus I

take a deeper dive with a respected thinker on different aspects of culture. I

ask those hard questions that maybe they don't get that often and I don't

shy away from challenging topics to help you share God's grace, truth, and love

with others. So listen to ReFocus with Jim Daley on your favorite streaming app

today. I don't need to tell anyone about this. It's easy to think that way when

you're hiding a secret sin but at some point that sin will be discovered. I'm John

Fuller joined by Dr. Greg Smalley and his wife Aaron. They're in charge of our

marriage department here at Focus on the Family and as we begin let's turn our

attention to a conversation with Dave and Kirsten Samuel. Jim Daley and I

spoke with them. They both used to work here at Focus and seemed to have a

great marriage but there was a secret underneath the surface that almost

destroyed their relationship. Here's part of their story. Let me say welcome to

both of you. Thank you. Great to be here. Good to be here. All right we're gonna dive

right into the story because there's so much to this and the content is gonna be

powerful. I know it. You can get that feeling right John. It begins with that

image of a perfect marriage. I put that in air quotes that was really shattered

by the revelation of a hidden addiction to pornography and Dave that you were

struggling with. First describe your relationship up to that point. What was your

marriage like? What was going on? And you know I'm assuming you're happily married

for like 25 years. Three grown children. Where were you at at that point? 25

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