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Last time on this podcast we discussed how keeping a sin secret doesn't work. It

comes out eventually and it does harm your marriage. Today we're going to talk

about ways you can get help even after a hidden sin has been discovered. I'm

John Fuller joined in the studio by Dr. Greg Smolley and his wife Aaron. They

head up our marriage department here at Focus and we're going to return now to

a conversation with Dave and Kirsten Samuel. They shared with Jim Daley and me

how Dave was working in ministry and it came to light that he was struggling

with a pornography addiction. Let's go ahead and hear Jim Daley as he picks up

the conversation. Let me let me make sure again I'm trying to sit in that place

of someone listening that may be in that spot and they're saying to themselves

I can manage this. There were you were back before you were found out and

they're saying okay episodically you know there's times when I you know I slip

and you know but I shake it off and you know I'm ready to go. Speak to the

adjectives of addiction. How would a person know they're addicted? Well there's

that cycle of what we call as a cycle of shame where you're great you know

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