Hey, this is Anna. This week we are sharing one of my very favorite episodes that we've

made. It first came out in 2019, but it's one that I find useful to relisten to because

of how it makes me think about the choices I've made and the values behind them and how

I'm responding to needs in my community now. I think you'll really enjoy it. In the

meantime, we are working on some really great episodes coming up this fall. You can

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When did you first have the inkling that you might want to become a nun? It was not

an inkling. It was like a brick in the face. This is death sex and money. The show from

WNYC about the things we think about a lot and need to talk about more. I'm Anna Sale.

Here Josephine Garrett was a vice president and Bank of America when she first started

thinking about becoming a nun and the idea wouldn't go away. I started to freak out. I guess

I'm thinking about nuts. I don't know what you think about nuts, but I don't want to

be a nun. And when you say freaking out, were you telling friends of yours like, oh my

god, I had this thought and it isn't this crazy? No, no. Freaking out, man, I told no

one. Like I put it in the vault and I went and got a therapist. That's what freaking

out looks like for me. I was like, I need to see mental health professional because I think

I might be going crazy. Sister Josephine talked with me from a convent in Dallas. At 38,

she's one of just a few younger nuns in her community, which is common across religious

orders in the US today. In fact, in 2009, there were more American nuns over the age of

90 than under the age of 60. I definitely didn't feel like I fit the, you know, the sisterly

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