What will Starmer’s defence spending buy from Trump?
Radical with Amol Rajan
BBC
4.5 • 917 Ratings
🗓️ 27 February 2025
⏱️ 54 minutes
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Summary
Sir Keir Starmer’s announcement that he is increasing defence spending to 2.5% of GDP has defence experts taking a sigh of relief, whilst humanitarian workers are left despairing. Nick and Amol are joined by former US military strategist Rachel Ellehuus, the new director general of defence think-tank RUSI, to explore how the UK – and Europe – will contain Russia without so much American support.
Plus, Theresa May’s former chief of staff Fiona Hill remembers an awkward first meeting between the PM and a newly elected President Trump.
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The Today Podcast is hosted by Amol Rajan and Nick Robinson who are both presenters of BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. Amol was the BBC’s media editor for six years and is the former editor of the Independent, he’s also the current presenter of University Challenge. Nick has presented the Today programme since 2015, he was the BBC’s political editor for ten years before that and also previously worked as ITV’s political editor.
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| 0:00.0 | If you want to get a hearing in the Oval Office, you better arrive bearing a gift. |
| 0:11.4 | That was the advice, the very public advice given to Kirstama at the weekend, |
| 0:15.8 | by the man formerly known as the Prince of Darkness, |
| 0:19.6 | now known as his Britannic Majesty's ambassador to the United States |
| 0:23.9 | of America. Yes, I speak of Peter Mandelson, who said the Prime Minister's gift to the |
| 0:29.6 | president should be a timetable for when Britain would get its defence spending up to two and a half |
| 0:36.6 | percent of GDP. |
| 0:42.3 | Nick, one of the motifs I've got on the Today program and this podcast is that all policies are trade-offs. There are winners and losers. And goodness me, there are some winners and losers |
| 0:45.9 | out of this one. The aid budget, which is a crucial part of Britain's soft power and |
| 0:51.0 | humanitarian work around the world, is taking a big, big hit. |
| 0:55.2 | And the winners are what some people would call the military industrial complex, but Britain's |
| 0:58.6 | armed forces are going to get a significant win. |
| 1:01.6 | And what's extraordinary about this, as we're going to go on to discuss with some real |
| 1:04.8 | experts in the field, is the extent to which it does appear as if what President Trump |
| 1:10.4 | wants he gets from other countries. |
| 1:13.4 | This isn't just about what Trump wants in America, but he's getting out of Europe and |
| 1:17.0 | crucially out of Sir Keir Starmer's Labour government, something that he wanted over here. |
| 1:21.3 | And the danger of a Starmer, as we'll discuss, is whether or not he comes across as fundamentally |
| 1:25.8 | being a follower and not a leader. |
| 1:28.2 | So this week we're chewing over Starmer's motivation for bringing forward his defence spending announcement |
| 1:33.2 | and how he's decided to pay for it and looking at what difference it will really make. |
| 1:38.8 | And we'll be looking at other presidential prime ministerial relationships. |
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