What's different about Trump 2.0?
Radical with Amol Rajan
BBC
4.5 • 919 Ratings
🗓️ 6 March 2025
⏱️ 55 minutes
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Summary
In the first six weeks of his second term Donald Trump has rewritten US foreign policy, fractured the Nato alliance, dismantled parts of the US government and signed various presidential orders on everything from border security to diversity programmes.
In this episode Nick and Amol are joined by Brian Klaas, professor of global politics at University College London and a writer for The Atlantic magazine, who thinks Trump is undermining democracy and global security (07:44).
And Nick tells Amol about his exclusive interview with Rishi Sunak (44:36).
To get Amol and Nick's take on the biggest stories and insights from behind the scenes at the UK's most influential radio news programme make sure you hit subscribe on BBC Sounds. That way you’ll get an alert every time we release a new episode, and you won’t miss our extra bonus episodes either. GET IN TOUCH: * Send us a message or a voice note via WhatsApp to +44 330 123 4346 * Email today@bbc.co.uk The Today Podcast is hosted by Amol Rajan and Nick Robinson who are both presenters of BBC Radio 4’s Today programme. Amol was the BBC’s media editor for six years and is the former editor of the Independent, he’s also the current presenter of University Challenge. Nick has presented the Today programme since 2015, he was the BBC’s political editor for ten years before that and also previously worked as ITV’s political editor. This episode was made by Lewis Vickers with Nadia Gyane and Grace Reeve. Digital production was by Grace Reeve. The technical producer was Jonny Baker. The editor is Louisa Lewis. The executive producer is Owenna Griffiths.
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| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, Podcasts. |
| 0:05.2 | We have accomplished more in 43 days than most administrations accomplished in four years or eight years. |
| 0:13.6 | And we are just getting started. |
| 0:18.2 | It is hard to escape the feeling, Nick, is it not, that Donald Trump's second term, he's, I mean, this is a guy nearly 80 years old, he feels like a man in a hurry, and he wants his second term to be more consequential than his first. |
| 0:31.6 | What we heard there was the speech he gave the longest ever given by a president to Congress, nearly an hour and 40 minutes, |
| 0:39.4 | and it followed a dizzying first few weeks, which has seen him completely rewrite US foreign policy |
| 0:44.0 | and crucially, which we're going to focus on today, rewrite US domestic policy too. |
| 0:48.3 | That's right. He's talking about a golden age of America. It doesn't really do modesty, does he? |
| 0:53.1 | It's not a big part of his feature. |
| 0:55.3 | But to be fair to Donald Trump, love him or loathe him, he has done an enormous amount in the |
| 1:01.1 | United States for good or ill that we want to analyze today. Because while the world's eyes are |
| 1:07.4 | particularly on what he's been saying about the world, about Gaza, about Ukraine. |
| 1:12.8 | Back at home, people are looking to what he's doing to federal government, |
| 1:18.2 | to the system of democracy in the United States, |
| 1:21.7 | with his cheerleaders, and you heard them cheer there, didn't you? |
| 1:25.2 | Think he's transforming their nation. |
| 1:28.6 | And with the critics who you hear rather more softly muttering that this isn't democracy as they knew it certainly and |
| 1:36.7 | we're going to be speaking to a man who's written a wonderful and important book about Donald Trump |
| 1:41.2 | in his first term Brian class who writes for the Atlantic, |
| 1:46.0 | professor in global politics at University College London, and I've got a feeling |
| 1:48.3 | Nick, we're going to leave this episode |
| 1:49.9 | with a sense that, again, we are living through |
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