Heaven is not a human-centric place. It is a Christ-centered place. And when His glory is our delight,

then no matter what he provides and how it shows up in the present heaven and in the forever heaven

of the New Earth, we will be more satisfied than we can even understand what satisfaction is here.

Jennifer Rothschild. will be more satisfied than we can even understand what satisfaction is here in them.

Jennifer Rothschild's life drastically changed at the age of 15 when she lost her vision.

And now more than 35 years later, she's teaching women how to walk by faith, not by sight.

She's a speaker, she's a podcast host, and she's authored 21 books and Bible studies, including her latest, heaven, when faith becomes sight. Jennifer, I'm so

thankful that you're here on takeaways. Thanks, Kurt. We've been friends for a while, and we've

ministered together in various places with all

of these people and Chelsea and I just adore you and Phil and are so thankful that you're

our friends well we feel the same way Kirk thank you well you've got this brand new book all

about heaven and you know the older I get of course I'm thinking more and more about heaven

and all the people that I miss, like my grandparents and others.

And I just, I, and on the one hand, I'm excited about heaven.

And the other hand, I love life here on earth so much.

I don't want to get there too soon.

Right.

And so I struggle with which one to feel.

But I really glad you wrote this book because I think there's some way of loving life here with a view to heaven that makes the whole thing sweet.

And it totally transforms and rebrands death for us.

It sure does. I mean, the thing about heaven is so beautiful,

but people have to die to get there, right? That's right. That's the catch. That's the catch.

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