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Hello and welcome back to the Americana Show. My name is Freddie Gray. I am the deputy editor of the

spectator and the US editor. And I'm pleased to tell you that this is the 10th year of the

Americano podcast. And I think it's fair to say it's been a fairly fascinating time in American politics, life and culture.

And that's what we talk about every episode on this podcast. So please keep listening and

provide as much feedback as you like. Today I am delighted to be joined by John Carney, who heads up finance and economics for

Bright Bart. And we're going to be talking about Trump and the economy, because Donald Trump

is going to Davos next week, and he's been talking about it a little bit, and people in his

circle seem excited.

Some of his top team are going with him.

Trump has hinted that he might talk about housing on true social.

It's also thought he could bring up immigration and, of course, Tarris, which Davos Man,

Davos Man being the global financial elite, were fiercely opposed to, and it's thought that Trump might try and rub their faces in it. John, do you expect Donald Trump to rub Davos Man's face in

in the success or relative success of his tariffs? I think he should do that. He absolutely should go in and say, not only, you know, hey,

look, tariffs worked out really well. All of the predictions that there would be a trade war if we

raised tariffs in the U.S. have turned out not to be true. Everybody cut deals. I think you

should also, though, point out that it's not too late for Europe to start to

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