What were Musk and Trump smoking?
The Two Matts
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4.4 • 523 Ratings
🗓️ 29 May 2025
⏱️ 44 minutes
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The falling out between Elon Musk and Donald Trump was predictable enough but consequential all the same. The Matts explore what this says about the Trump administration and the personal damage to Musk. Also - as Sadiq Khan calls for the decriminalisation of small amounts of cannabis, the Matts take a deep breath and try to bring some perspective to an issue that has sent all their usual dopes into a frenzy. Enjoy!
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| 0:00.0 | Hi there, this is Matt Kelly, the editor-in-chief of the New European newspaper and one half of the |
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| 0:59.3 | Hello and happy Thursday. Happy Thursday, one and all. Hope you're all having a great day of it. |
| 1:08.1 | A better day one hopes than Elon Musk? Well, Elon Musk, poor lamb. |
| 1:15.3 | He seems really miserable, eh? Yeah, after weeks of speculation, he and Donald have announced |
| 1:21.9 | they are consciously uncoupling. Yeah. Well, I don't think, has Donald actually, I don't think Donald's even... |
| 1:28.6 | Well, the White House has said yes. |
| 1:30.2 | Oh, it has it, yeah. |
| 1:31.4 | Yeah, yeah. |
| 1:32.1 | But we'll talk about this. Yeah, okay, cool. |
| 1:34.2 | You know, it's an amical separation. |
| 1:36.3 | They will look after the Doge, you know, concentrate on parenting the Doge. |
| 1:41.3 | But here's a rather mournful clip of Elon talking to CBS news about the |
| 1:47.3 | bill that was the straw that broke the camel's back, which we can talk about after the clip. |
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