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The Good Fight

What Went Wrong in Afghanistan

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.7 • 963 Ratings

🗓️ 11 June 2022

⏱️ 60 minutes

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Summary

Yalda Hakim is a BBC World News correspondent and broadcaster. Born in Afghanistan and raised in Australia, Hakim has reported from Afghanistan for many years, often dealing directly with the Taliban. In recent months, she has also reported from western Ukraine. Her foundation offers academic and professional opportunities to Afghan girls. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Yalda Hakim discuss the dramatic changes the Afghan people have felt since the Taliban’s return to power, the parallels between Kyiv and Kabul, and the role of women in both conflicts. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: podcast@persuasion.community  Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by John Taylor Williams, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Despite the promise of the international community, Afghan women were put up on

0:08.5

podiums for almost 20 years, certainly in those early years and told, you are our partners, you know, stick your neck out,

0:16.3

come out on a limb. We will fund you, we will support you, we will finance you, we will train you,

0:21.8

we will back you, and in the end we'll abandon you and now the

0:26.6

good fight with yasha monk

0:40.0

over last week's For the last weeks I have been telling you about my book about the great experiment. In the first part of the book I talk about why it's so hard to build diverse

0:46.4

democracy what we can learn from the history of those societies. In the second

0:50.8

part of the book I talk about the vision of the kind of society we should be

0:56.4

aiming for, the kind of society we should create.

0:59.9

And this week we're coming to the end of that.

1:02.7

We've talked about the basic rules

1:04.6

which govern our cooperation, about the road of patriotism,

1:09.2

about the kind of metaphor that can help us think

1:11.6

through what sort of society we should want to create.

1:14.8

Well, today I talk about something a little less tangible, something more cultural.

1:20.1

How much of an aspiration can we have to build a meaningfully shared life?

1:25.0

What will the culture of that diverse society look like?

1:31.0

Now, I reject three different visions which I think are too pessimistic. The first is to turn back the clock to try and return these societies towards places that are more homogeneous, places that

1:47.3

don't accommodate the diversity which defines them today. I think that would be unjust because it wouldn't be

1:55.4

allowing some of the members of our society to be full and equal members of those

2:00.3

societies. It would also be incredibly cruel because the only realistic way to do that

2:05.5

would be through significant levels of violence.

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