Hey everyone welcome to the Conversations that Matter podcast I'm your host John Harris and I want to talk to you about the Southern Baptist Convention. I actually recorded a whole podcast earlier today and I wasn't able to upload it and now some of that information is kind of old but I made my

prediction which you didn't get to hear and unfortunately my prediction came true about the

results of the election between Bart, Barbara, and Tom Askel.

So it's not a surprise to me, but I know for some of you it is a surprise.

And I know some people need to just kind of come to their own conclusions on this.

They need to see for themselves

the corruption that exists in the convention by going, attending a meeting and seeing

with their own eyes. For me, I think I had a bit of an advantage of being at Southeastern years ago and seeing kind of how the same politics that you saw displayed more clearly in the convention are deployed on a more of a local level in an institution.

So for me, I've been talking about this issue of corruption,

but also mostly of social justice for a while and the two kind of do go together and

and after the convention last year I made a video eight reasons to leave the

SBC and I have certainly not changed my mind. I'm probably more convinced of the position I held last year now than I was then.

But I haven't wanted to reign on the parade of people that are well-meaning and orthodox and wanting to attend these conventions

and make a difference because I know many of them

have to come to the conclusion themselves,

like I said, that the SBC is perhaps beyond saving or an organization one should not be a part of.

And the other thing is just, you know, hey, if there is a chance, if there is a way, if there is really

bold leadership that's willing to call out false teachers and

willing to really rally the base and come up with a actual ground game I don't

want to just discourage people from that so that's kind of one of the reasons I haven't

shared at least immediately in the last few weeks my prediction. I did put a

pull out on Twitter or no sorry I don't have Twitter YouTube and with people's

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