Hey everyone, welcome to the Conversations That Matter Podcast, Travel Edition here.

I got kind of a not in a hotel room, but this is kind of a monumental day for the Southern Baptist Convention.

And so I wanted to bring you some comment on it.

And so David Morrill has been very gracious in being willing to join me to discuss this.

David's work you can find at protestia.com.

He was there at the convention and so being in the room it definitely makes a difference so

David thank you so much for just being willing to do this.

Thanks for having me John. I want to ask you what are your thoughts and what are your we'll start with a big Eva question type

loaded gospel coalition type question what are your feelings you're

feel now how do you feel?

Yeah, about the same. It's kind of, it's what I expected.

Honestly, same. You know, it's, I was at the CBN breakfast this morning and it was good to hear

some of the some of the CBN leaders kind of talk and it was it was good to be in

that in that Arab optimism for sure but then to get in the hall and realize that the

overwhelming what I think the overwhelming majority of messengers were either largely

ignorant on the details of these issues or they were connected enough with the institution of the SBC that they have skin and a game to keep the status quo and of course Bart Barber is the status quo.

Yeah, well, can you just walk us through?

What are the defeats and are there any silver linings that happened today?

So I know obviously Tom Askel lost, but what other things happened that were significant?

Well, one of the one, I thought one of the most significant things was there was some batting back and forth on the credentials

committee dealing with saddleback and then Rick Warren is in the room and for

some reason given the microphone for as long as he wanted to have it to preach a little mini sermon about Rick Warren and about Saddleback Church.

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