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The Quanta Podcast

What We Learn From Running ‘Life’ in Reverse

The Quanta Podcast

Quanta Magazine

Life Sciences, Science, Physics

4.7638 Ratings

🗓️ 21 October 2025

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

Imagine a set of simple building blocks that can self-assemble into any shape you want. The possibilities for such a technology could be boundless. Inspired by nature, “complexity engineering” seeks to design such blocks, building on a classic computer simulation. On this week’s episode, host Samir Patel speaks with contributing writer George Musser about recent developments in so-called cellular automata. This topic was covered in a recent story for Quanta Magazine.  

Each week on The Quanta Podcast, Quanta Magazine editor in chief Samir Patel speaks with the people behind the award-winning publication to navigate through some of the most important and mind-expanding questions in science and math.

Audio coda courtesy of the Simons Foundation. 

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0:00.0

John Conway was a particularly prolific and curious mathematician.

0:08.0

Geometry, number theory, knots, he left an indelible imprint on so many parts of the math world.

0:15.0

We have to make sure we say that first, before we get to the thing that brought him a lot of fame and recognition outside of the math world,

0:22.2

something called the Game of Life.

0:24.4

This relatively simple computer simulation more or less went viral in the early 1970s,

0:30.6

and you might know it.

0:32.1

You start with a grid, and every cell on that grid can be either empty or full, dead or alive.

0:40.0

And it ticks forward one step at a time and everything stays the same unless certain conditions are met.

0:46.6

A dead cell, for example, will come alive if there are three alive cells around it.

0:52.4

A living cell that has less than two or more than three living cells around it. A living cell that has less than two or more than three living

0:57.8

cells around it dies on the next step. And that's it. From those simple rules and different

1:04.3

starting configurations of living cells, you can develop a wide range of behaviors and patterns.

1:11.6

It's the most famous example of what are called cellular automata,

1:16.6

and it serves as an easy way to demonstrate how complexity and diversity can come from a few simple rules.

1:25.6

But it can be more than a metaphor too, and there's an emerging field linking cellular

1:30.8

automata with neural networks in ways that could have us rethinking how we structure computing.

1:42.3

Welcome to the Quantum Podcast, where we explore the frontiers of fundamental science and math.

1:47.5

I'm Samir Patel, editor-in-chief of Quanta magazine.

1:51.2

Science journalist and Quanta contributing writer George Musser recently covered some of this

1:55.9

new work, which is adding layers and layers of modern computing complexity on the old idea of cellular automata

2:03.7

to come up with something new. His story is called self-assembly gets automated in reverse of

2:09.5

game of life, and he's here to speak with us about it today. Welcome back to the show, George.

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