What We Got Wrong with Zeynep Tufekci

Why Is This Happening? The Chris Hayes Podcast

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🗓️ 10 November 2020

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

The U.S. just surpassed 10 million confirmed cases of coronavirus as infection rates spike across the country. If you look at the charts tracking the reported cases, hospitalizations, and deaths, it shows the country on a dangerous trajectory. How did we get to this point? Sociologist Zeynep Tufekci has spent time studying the sociology of pandemics and says her alarm bells were going off all the way back in January. She’s spent months writing with an almost unparalleled clarity about the many interlocking aspects of the pandemic, often with insights than turn out to be well ahead of the curve. Tufekci lends her insights on the early missteps in containing this pandemic and what a success story would look like. How Zeynep Tufekci Keeps Getting the Big Things Right (New York Times, Aug 2020) Follow Zeynep on Twitter Twitter and Tear Gas by Zeynep Tufekci

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0:00.0	I hate to say this, but this is a starter pandemic because the characteristics of the virus
0:06.5	make it somewhat difficult to contain, but it could be much worse.
0:10.3	Like you could have a completely asymptomatic incubation period that was infectious and then
0:14.8	you could have a high fatality rate.
0:16.2	Like those things could have gone together and I mean it doesn't make it less tragic, but
0:22.2	it makes it extra tragic that as a society we can't even handle this one.
0:30.3	Hello and welcome to Wise is happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes.
0:41.0	I am speaking to you just a few days after the media called the election for Joe Biden
0:48.1	based on the obvious vote totals, which means that he will be the next president in
0:52.5	the United States.
0:53.5	He is currently the president elect.
0:55.5	And I'm bringing to you today a conversation that was recorded before this turn of events,
1:00.6	about I think 12 days before the election.
1:04.7	And it's a conversation about about COVID, a conversation about what's happening right now,
1:10.3	where we've gotten things wrong, what we can do now, why we are in the position that
1:14.8	we're on.
1:16.2	And because it was recorded before election day with the future shrouded in mist, I thought
1:23.0	it was sort of useful for me to come here to speak to you on this side of that dividing
1:28.0	line in our lives to say that you know you will hear in this conversation that we refer
1:32.6	to the election in the future.
1:34.6	It's also the other reason that I wanted to sort of come in here and talk about this
1:39.2	conversation is because things have gotten much much worse COVID-wise.
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