What Trump Wants in Venezuela
The Ezra Klein Show
New York Times Opinion
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🗓️ 6 January 2026
⏱️ 58 minutes
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| 0:00.0 | The |
| 0:07.0 | The I have one question right now. |
| 0:34.5 | What is America doing in Venezuela? |
| 0:42.1 | Over the weekend on January 3rd, the Trump administration launched an operation that ended with the capture of Nicholas Maduro, the president |
| 0:47.6 | of Venezuela. We have heard a lot of reasons from the Trump administration of why they decided to do |
| 0:53.2 | this. |
| 0:59.8 | Maduro, not a good person, not a good guy, a repressive, brutal dictator who has made the lives of many, many people miserable. But there are a lot of brutal, repressive dictators in this |
| 1:06.1 | world. Venezuela is not a leading source of America's drug crisis. We have a fentanyl crisis, not a cocaine crisis. |
| 1:15.3 | Venezuela's oil reserves, which we should not be invading other countries for anyway, is not an easy source of future wealth or power for the United States. |
| 1:25.4 | President Donald Trump ran for office promising fewer foreign |
| 1:29.0 | entanglements. He wanted to be remembered as a peacemaker. What are we doing? Watching President |
| 1:36.4 | Trump stand on that stage and say America is now running Venezuela, the people standing behind him |
| 1:41.8 | are now running Venezuela, watching Secretary of State and National Security Advisor Marco Rubio then try to walk that back, say, no, no, we're just running policy in Venezuela. |
| 1:50.7 | Do we have a plan? |
| 1:53.4 | This was a profound gamble from an administration that to a very large extent ran for office this time promising |
| 2:03.4 | an end to these kinds of gambols, criticizing those that previous presidents had made in the past. |
| 2:08.9 | So what is the collection of arguments, views, interests, factions that led America to this point. And what comes after it? |
| 2:21.2 | Join me today is Jonathan Blitzer, who has covered immigration and the Trump administration |
| 2:25.5 | in Central America for the New Yorker. He's profiled Stephen Miller and gone deep into the |
| 2:31.1 | drugboat bombings. The Trump administration has been executing. |
| 2:34.6 | He's also the author of the excellent book, Everyone Who Is Gone is Here, The United States, Central America, and the making of a crisis. |
| 2:44.0 | As always, my email, Ezra Klein Show at NYTimes.com. dot com. |
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