it's not limited to illegal immigrants. They've already stripped. Another prediction I made was they'd strip

more people of legal status than they increased deportations. And that has hold true, you know,

three or four times over. I mean, they stripped about two and a half million people, at least of their

legal status to live in this country legally and work in the country

legally, while at the same time, they've increased deportation. They've caused a huge amount of chaos

in the process, but not nearly as much as they've created new illegal immigrants as a result of

this.

Hello, and welcome.

Why is this happening with me, your host, Chris Hayes.

You know, it sounds crazy for me to say this, but it's a true fact that for a very long

time, for maybe the majority of the time that I have covered politics and policy as a journalistic adult, the Republican Party and the conservative movement coalition was cross-pressured on immigration.

Like there was an intense tension within the faction, something you see on a

bunch of different issues. Right now, for instance, in the center-left coalition, there's huge

cross-pressure on the issue of American foreign policy with respect to Israel, right? There are

factions within the party who have diametrically opposed views on it, but they're both within

the coalition.

This is the source of incredible tension.

It's very difficult to navigate.

And that was not that dissimilar from what immigration politics were like in the Republican Party, the center-right coalition, the conservative world for a long time.

There were basically the kind of nativist impulses that are

now totally dominant, but there was also partly because of the economic rationale for

immigration, because of interest from the Chamber of Commerce, from farm agricultural industry.

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