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The Daily Beast Podcast

What Trump Really Thinks of Women on His Team

The Daily Beast Podcast

The Daily Beast

News & Politics

4.6 • 7.9K Ratings

🗓️ 12 December 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Summary

Michael Wolff joins Joanna Coles to unpack Kristi Noem’s “Ice Barbie” theatrics at Homeland Security to Pam Bondi’s loyal remaking of the Justice Department. They explore how, for the people in Trump’s political orbit, loyalty and spectacle outweigh competence. Wolff and Coles dive into Corey Lewandowski’s influence, Alina Haber’s rocky rise, Jared Kushner’s allies, and the fractures forming among Trump’s women acolytes. Behind the headlines, they reveal a presidency driven by personal power, loyalty tests, and showmanship—where the inner workings are as unpredictable as the public drama.

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0:00.0

I think the subject of the women around Trump is an interesting subject because they have been the people kind of most willing to be abject.

0:13.1

Most willing to kind of sign up to, you know, we are the women of Donald Trump.

0:19.8

And we have no pretense otherwise.

0:24.0

We are here not because we have, we see an independent life for ourselves.

0:30.9

And we understand that we are here to exist only in the shadow of Donald Trump and to try to please him as we can.

0:43.8

Michael.

0:45.2

Joanna.

0:47.8

So, so much to discuss.

0:51.3

I'm still in Abu Dhabi for the Bridge Conference where we are discussing

0:56.2

important things about misinformation and disinformation and where the media and the tech

1:02.6

world has come to discuss such things. What a snore. What a snore. It's actually not a

1:09.6

snore. I've never been here before and it's interesting. And as you're always saying, it's where people come to look for money and there are a lot of people here looking for money.

1:18.0

Yeah, no, it'd be more interesting to talk about money than it would be to talk about media. But each to us own.

1:23.8

Well, there's some talk of money. Polymarkets said that the first firing of Trump's cabinet would be Christy Nome. Do you have any thoughts on this?

1:33.9

Well, my first, my first thought is that it's remarkable how long people have lasted. This is very untrumpian behavior. The fact that all of these people have stayed in place now for coming on, we're coming up to the year mark. That's a long tenure in Trump world. So I think you have to ask, well, what's happening here?

2:01.5

What has changed here?

2:04.2

And I think that the answer is that he has successfully hired complete, utter, total lackeys.

2:16.2

So what you get fired for mostly is you get fired for two things, maybe only one thing.

2:27.0

And that is for getting too much press yourself, for taking credit, for being out front of Donald Trump.

2:38.7

And I suppose, yes, if you disagree with him in private.

2:47.7

But that's even less so because it's very, very hard to disagree with Donald Trump,

2:51.7

because he's obviously, as we've discussed, talking all the time. So it's really your outward

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