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From W be easy Chicago this is Nurdett I'm Greta Johnson it is Friday

whatever that means it's also May 22nd, whatever that means, and I am still talking to you from the floor of my bedroom closet, which means this must be another edition of Nardets Introverts Guide to the Good Life.

So for the past couple months, we have been making episodes

to help you figure out how to make the best of this situation, partly by giving you

heaps of ideas for things to keep you busy and entertained, and hopefully at least a little

fulfilled too.

And I don't know about you but something that I have been

dealing with much more than usual since all this started is anxiety. So we thought now might be a great time to get in touch with an expert to help us

unpack all of our complicated feelings and figure out what to do with them.

Our guest today is Claire Bidwell Smith.

She's a grief counselor who wrote a book called Anxiety, The Missing Stage of Grief.

Even if you haven't heard of Elizabeth Kubler Ross,

you're probably familiar with her five stages of grief.

Denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance.

Claire has a lot of respect for the work that Elizabeth Kubler Ross did, but she thinks anxiety

should fit in there too. Even she herself said that the five stages were really just meant as guide

posts and she acknowledged that there were many other aspects to grief.

Our culture loves the idea of these stages, right? Like,

wouldn't it be nice if we could just hop through? Yeah, that sounds amazing. I could get like a

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