What the Science Really Says About Nutrition | Highlights of 2025 (Part 1)

The Proof with Simon Hill

Simon Hill

Nutrition, Education, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness

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🗓️ 25 December 2025

⏱️ 155 minutes

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Welcome to Part 1 of our Highlights of 2025 series, where I revisit the most important conversations from the year on The Proof, spanning nutrition science, misinformation, and long-term health. This episode features highlights from Dr Matthew Nagra, Dr Rupy Aujla, Drew Harrisberg, Dr Steven Novella, Dr Bill Harris, Dr David Katz, Doug Evans, Dr Suzanne Devkota, Dr Jessica Knurick, and Dr Walter Willett, covering protein quality, dietary fats, gut health, diet quality, and public health. What we cover: Plant vs animal protein and the leucine debate Protein needs for health, performance, and ageing Science vs anecdotes and spotting misinformation Seed oils, omega-6 fats, and common myths Olive oil quality and how to choose well Butter vs plant oils and mortality risk What diet quality really means Sulforaphane and the science of sprouts Gut health, microbiome diversity, and testing limitations Public health narratives and why focus matters Thank you for joining me for Part 1 of Highlights of 2025 on The Proof. I hope this episode helps you hold onto nuance, prioritise outcomes over ideology, and move into the year ahead with clarity and confidence. Intro (00:00:00) Plant Protein vs Animal Protein: Leucine, Muscle & Diet Quality - Simon Hill (00:01:16) Is the Protein Debate Really Over? Muscle, Health & Sustainability Explained - Dr Matthew Nagra (00:11:10) How Much Protein Do You Actually Need for Aging, Gut Health & Longevity? - Dr Rupy Aujla (00:23:45) Why Health Anecdotes Spread Faster Than Science (And Why It Matters) - Drew Harrisberg (00:36:14) Why Smart People Fall for Pseudoscience in Nutrition & Health - Dr Steven Novella (00:52:29) Are Seed Oils Actually Harmful? Omega-6 Fats & Inflammation Explained - Dr Bill Harris (00:59:24) How to Choose the Healthiest Olive Oil (Quality, Labels & Polyphenols) - Simon Hill (01:07:58) Butter vs Plant Oils: What the Evidence Says About Mortality & Heart Health - Dr Matthew Nagra (01:13:33) What Does a High-Quality Diet Really Mean for Longevity? - Dr David Katz (01:19:49) Sulforaphane, Sprouts & Cellular Protection: How Food Impacts Longevity - Doug Evans (01:38:34) How the Gut Microbiome Affects Health (And What You Can Change) - Simon Hill (01:46:38) What Actually Defines a “Healthy Gut”? Microbiome Testing Explained - Dr Suzanne Devkota (01:50:00) What Is MAHA? Nutrition Science, Misinformation & Public Health - Dr Jessica Knurick (02:02:53) Saturated Fat, Dietary Guidelines & Why Policy Still Matters - Dr Walter Willett (02:11:17) How to Improve Diet Quality at a Population Level - Dr David Katz (02:13:35) Seed Oils vs Beef Tallow: Wellness Claims vs Scientific Evidence - Drew Harrisberg (02:20:50) Why the Omega-6 Controversy Refuses to Die - Dr Bill Harris (02:24:52) This episode is brought to you by: 38TERA Consider 38TERA's DMN prebiotic supplement a daily multivitamin for your gut. Formulated by yours truly and gastroenterologist Dr Will Bulsiewicz. Use code THEPROOF for a discount at checkout. Function Health Take charge of your health with advanced blood testing and personalised insights. Function Health offers a practical way to track key health markers such as cholesterol, blood sugar, and more. Learn more and join at functionhealth.com/simonhill for a $25 credit toward your membership. Only available to those living in the United States. IM8 With 92 nutrients, including Vitamin B12, Iodine, Selenium and Vitamin D, in highly absorbable forms, IM8 Daily Essentials is the perfect all-in-one daily multi-vitamin to ensure you meet your daily micronutrient needs. IM8 is offering an exclusive 10% off your first order with a free welcome kit when you enter the promo code SIMON at checkout on im8health.com Subscribe & Connect: YouTube Apple Podcasts Spotify Instagram: @simonhill Twitter: @theproof Facebook: The Proof with Simon Hill

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0:00.0	Alrighty friends, welcome back to The Proof and welcome to the best of the proof 2025 part one.
0:07.2	Before we jump in, I want to wish all of you a Merry Christmas if you celebrate Christmas and if not a very happy festive period.
0:17.0	And I want to say a heartfelt thank you for your engagement, your encouragement, and for sharing
0:22.4	these episodes with friends and family over the course of 2025. Because of you, the show continues
0:29.3	to grow across Apple, Spotify, YouTube, all the places, and for that I am tremendously grateful.
0:35.9	Most importantly, we continue to attract world-class scientists, and I already have an incredible
0:41.4	lineup locked in for 2026, including several roundtable episodes where we'll deep dive major
0:48.0	topics with multiple experts in person at once.
0:52.8	Today we're revisiting some of the most meaningful clips of the year.
0:57.3	From protein and the plant versus animal debate to seed oils.
1:02.1	Yes, we snuck seed oils in again.
1:04.8	Longevity nutrition, the microbiome, and more.
1:08.1	Let's dive into the best of the proof, 2025, part one.
1:21.6	In this episode, we'll evaluate Dr. Lyons claims about protein sources, specifically the role of
1:27.3	Lucene, and whether or not we should be making' claims about protein sources, specifically the role of lucene, and whether
1:28.6	or not we should be making value judgments about protein-containing foods based on their lucene content.
1:34.1	We'll also double-click on this idea that animal protein is superior to plant protein
1:39.0	due to differences in amino acid profile and or by availability, and this insinuation that you'd need to over
1:45.7	consume calories to get enough protein from plants. But first, please make sure you hit like below
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1:58.0	Who knows we could hit 1 million subscribers in the next few years.
2:02.5	So Dr. Lyons starts out saying that sometimes she wakes up and chooses violence and is going
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