What the Heck Happened in Hawaii?
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 23 January 2018
⏱️ 61 minutes
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Summary
It may seem like ages ago, but the false alarm about a missile heading towards Hawaii hasn't left our minds. Last week, Shannon Togawa Mercer interviewed a group of experts on the event: Stephan Haggard, political science professor at the University of California, San Diego; Garrett Graff, author and journalist; Juliette Kayyem, former assistant secretary for intergovernmental affairs in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS); and Paul Rosenzweig, Lawfare masthead contributing editor and former deputy assistant secretary for policy at DHS all joined in. They discussed what actually occurred and how it happened, the relationship between the federal and state governments in handling emergency responses like this, the political situation surrounding the alarm, and what would have happened if there actually had been a missile.
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| 0:22.0 | rational security, chatter, law fair no bull, and the aftermath. |
| 0:29.0 | The most important thing is, and I'm glad to see it, |
| 0:35.0 | I will commend them after being quite critical of them, |
| 0:38.0 | is to come out, you know, open up the windows, figure out what happened, |
| 0:43.0 | be honest, make the personal changes you need to make, |
| 0:46.0 | and get people to have confidence in the system, |
| 0:49.0 | because we need that system to get people to move. |
| 0:53.0 | My fear is not that, you know, this was an extreme case, |
| 0:57.0 | but your biggest fear is someone who worries about catastrophe, |
| 1:01.0 | and saving American lives is no one's listening. |
| 1:04.0 | We're telling them to evacuate, and they're not. |
| 1:06.0 | We're telling them the hurricanes, you know, coming and to leave the coast, they're not. |
| 1:09.0 | So, I want to get confidence in the system, |
| 1:12.0 | because you got to move people quickly sometimes to save lives. |
| 1:15.0 | I'm Shannon Tegawa-Marser, and this is the LawFair podcast, January 23rd, 2018. |
| 1:21.0 | With the speed of the news cycle, |
| 1:23.0 | you may have already forgotten that two Saturdays ago, |
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