I'm Peter Frankopen. And in our podcast, Legacy, we explore the lives of some of the biggest characters in history.

This season we're revisiting the life of Cecil Rhodes.

From Sickly Child to Diamond Tycoon, leading colonialist in South Africa, he was a bastion of British imperialism.

Over the past few years, campuses around the world have been met by students, chanting Rhodes must fall. His legacy has been completely transformed.

It's unbelievable how relevant roads still feels and how often his name is invoked by people

contesting really polarizing parts of our contemporary life.

But one of the questions about Rhodes is that he takes all the flag and therefore hides

away all the other people who were responsible for doing things that maybe not quite so bad.

That's why I think it's important to think not just about Rhodes and his own life, but about what that period

of British and colonial history meant.

And one of the things people often say is you have to judge these figures by the standards of their time

that's exactly what we're gonna do Peter isn't it so follow legacy now from

wherever you get your podcasts or binge entire seasons early and ad-free on

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Hello my lovely betwixters, it's me Kate Lister. I am here once more and thank God you are here because if you're not here it's just some mad northern woman chatting to a microphone all by herself so I'm thrilled that you're

here but before we can go any further I have to tell you this is an adult

podcast book by adults to other adults

about adult things in an adulty way covering a range of adult subjects and you

should be an adult too and now that we've told you that you can't get angry if you

happen to continue listening and get offended because fair dues.

You were one.

Ah good afternoon. I'm just taking a stroll through the Garden of Eden. Beautiful day for it isn't it?

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