I'm Peter Frankopen. And in our podcast, Legacy, we explore the lives of some of the biggest characters in history.

This season we're revisiting the life of Cecil Rhodes.

From Sickly Child to Diamond Tycoon, leading colonialist in South Africa, he was a bastion of British imperialism.

Over the past few years, campuses around the world have been met by students, chanting Rhodes must fall. His legacy has been completely transformed.

It's unbelievable how relevant roads still feels and how often his name is invoked by people

contesting really polarizing parts of our contemporary life.

But one of the questions about Rhodes is that he takes all the flag and therefore hides

away all the other people who were responsible for doing things that maybe not quite so bad.

That's why I think it's important to think not just about Rhodes and his own life,

but about what that period of British and colonial history meant.

And one of the things people often say is you have to judge these figures by the standards of their time

that's exactly what we're gonna do Peter isn't it so follow legacy now from

wherever you get your podcasts or binge entire seasons early and ad-free on

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Hello, my lovely Betwixters, it's me, Kate Lister. I am looking forward to another episode of Betwixt the Sheaths.

But I have to tell you this is an adult

podcast spoken by adults to other adults about adulty things in an adulty way.

Covering a range of adult subjects and you should be an adult too. And now that you've

been given your warning, this is fair do's, this is naughty

stuff coming your way. If you continue to listen and you get upset, well frankly tough tis.

For the rest of you that are sticking around on with the show. We are deep in the new forest on the south coast of England in the late 1930s.

Keep your voice down though, as in a clearing just beyond these trees

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