Sometimes the people that impose this narrative from the outside on the fundamentally

illegible uprising in the streets are kind of on the same side as the people on the streets.

And in other cases, it's their enemies.

I mean, if you ask Cece now in Egypt, he'll tell you that he is the product of the 2011

revolution.

He acts as if he is the inheritor of the Egyptian uprising of 2011, whereas everyone that

actually did it sees him as the counter-revolution reaction that crushed what they were trying to do.

Yeah. Hello and welcome to Tech Won't Save Us. I'm your host, Paris Mark, and I have some exciting news to share with you this week. Tech Won't Save Us is partnering with The Nation, the U.S.

Progressive magazine founded in 1865 that has a very long history of holding power to account. Now, this isn't a traditional tech publication, and that's part of the reason why I'm excited about this, because it will allow these perspectives on technology that are essential for people to hear to reach an even wider audience. And that's not to say

that the nation hasn't been doing great coverage of technology and the issues that we talk about

on this podcast. Contributors to the nation have also appeared on the podcast, people like

Kate Wagner to talk about architecture and its relationship to technology, Jacob Silverman

and his coverage of the crypto industry, Jacob Silverman and his coverage of

the crypto industry, Tim Schwab and his writing on Bill Gates on the Bill Gates Foundation,

and Edward on Wazzo Jr. and the work that he did for the nation on venture capital.

So I'm sure that you'll be hearing more about this in future episodes, but I think that this

is a really exciting step forward for the show and a really

exciting partnership with the nation. Now, with that said, this week's guest is Vincent Bevins.

Vincent is a longtime foreign correspondent who's formerly worked for The Washington Post,

the Financial Times, and the LA Times. He's also the author of the Jakarta Method,

and most recently, If We Burn, the mass protest decade and the missing

revolution. I'm sure you'll remember the narratives that we had around social media in the early

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