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What sets human consciousness apart from AI?

Science Weekly

The Guardian

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4.21K Ratings

🗓️ 24 March 2026

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

Why is it like something to be ourselves and how do physical processes create our subjective experience? These questions get to the heart of the knotty problem of consciousness, and they provided the spark for the latest book from award-winning author and journalist Michael Pollan. In A World Appears, Pollan goes in search of answers about what we do and don’t know about consciousness, and why it has proven such an elusive phenomenon. He tells Ian Sample how thoughts and feelings shape our conscious experience, whether we can learn anything about human consciousness from AI, and why he thinks our minds need to be defended in today’s technology saturated world. Help support our independent journalism at theguardian.com/sciencepod

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0:00.0

This is The Guardian.

0:10.2

Take a minute to think about your brain.

0:14.9

It's running a stunning array of systems that are ticking along every second,

0:20.2

checking your organs, monitoring your

0:22.2

environment, and regulating your breathing.

0:27.8

Of course, most of the time, you're totally oblivious to them all.

0:32.4

But when it comes to our experiences, our memories and perceptions, it's a different story.

0:39.8

Why are we aware of some mental operations while others go on in the dark?

0:45.5

And why does certain processes feel a certain way?

0:53.0

Philosophers call it the hard problem of consciousness, and it's a question author and journalist

0:58.6

Michael Pollan sets out to explore in his new book, A World Appears, A Journey Into Consciousness.

1:06.8

When I met him at the Guardian offices, I wanted to focus on two of the areas he explores,

1:12.6

thought and feeling, on what they can teach us about the nature of this elusive phenomenon.

1:22.6

So today, Michael Pollan on how it feels to be conscious

1:26.6

and what sets human consciousness apart in the age of AI.

1:33.7

From The Guardian, I'm Ian Sampal, and this is Science Weekly.

1:43.5

Michael Pollan, welcome to Science Weekly.

1:46.4

Good to be here, Ian.

1:47.5

One of the difficulties I imagine of writing a book about consciousness is that that word means so many different things to so many people.

1:55.6

And I wonder if you could just give me a sense of the sort of array of experiences that really build up our conscious

2:03.8

experience. Yeah. So, you know, the simplest definition of consciousness is subjective experience.

2:10.5

You use the word experience. Experience implies there's someone to have the experience, and it is

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