What Separates AI From the Qualities of the Human Mind

Intelligent Design the Future

Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture

Society & Culture, Philosophy, Life Sciences, Astronomy, Science

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🗓️ 20 March 2026

⏱️ 72 minutes

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ID The Future listeners now get to enjoy a new episode each month (as well as a bingecast archive episode) from our sister podcast Mind Matters News, a production of the Discovery Institute’s Walter Bradley Center for Natural and Artificial Intelligence. The Mind Matters News podcast brings you interviews and insight from computer scientists, engineers, inventors, neurosurgeons, and other experts who bring sanity to the conversation about natural and artificial intelligence, going beyond the hype to explore the undercurrents of these important ideas. And although the Mind Matters News podcast will not often explicitly discuss intelligent design, it regularly explores the nature of intelligence, the origin of information, and the things that make us uniquely human, concepts that are central to the theory of intelligent design. Is consciousness the exclusive domain of human beings? Proponents of a view known as integrative information theory argue that AI will eventually achieve that same level of consciousness as systems build up and integrate more knowledge in the future. On this archive episode, Mind Matters guest host Pat Flynn welcomes Dr. Selmer Bringsjord to discuss some of the flaws in this theory as well as a possible alternative.

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0:00.0	Welcome to ID the Future.
0:01.7	I'm Andrew McDermott.
0:03.5	Today's episode comes to us from our sister podcast, Mind Matters News,
0:08.1	a production of the Discovery Institute's Walter Bradley Center for Natural and Artificial Intelligence.
0:14.0	You can learn more about the show and access other episodes at mindmatters.a.I.
0:24.4	Hello. episodes at mind matters.a.ai. Hello everybody and welcome back to the podcast. My name is Pat Flynn. I normally host the
0:29.4	Philosophy for the People podcast, but today I am teaming up with Mind Matters to talk once again
0:34.6	with Dr. Selmer Brinsjord on all things related to AI consciousness,
0:39.9	consciousness, I should say, excuse me, rationality. Dr. Brinshord has done a lot of really
0:45.4	fascinating work on this front. If you missed our previous episode, I'm going to encourage
0:50.4	everybody to check it out because we discussed in some depth one of my favorite
0:55.6	arguments for the immateriality of the intellect, the seeds of which go back at least to Aristotle,
1:02.9	but were further developed by one of my favorite philosophers, James Ross, and then Dr. Brinjord
1:08.2	has furthered that conversation as well. So it was one of my favorite
1:11.6	conversations. I want to make sure that nobody misses that. But here we are for a continued
1:16.5	conversation. So Dr. Brinjord, it is great to be back with you again. How are you?
1:20.5	I'm doing very well. And it's on my end, great to be back too. I did enjoy that very much,
1:26.2	that prior interaction on that topic.
1:28.6	So for people who may have missed that, if you wouldn't mind, let's just start with some of the
1:33.5	usual preliminaries. Who is Dr. Brinsjord? What did, what do you do? And how did you get into all this
1:39.5	business concerning AI and the nature of consciousness? Sure. Well, I'm fresh from a grad student dinner last
1:46.1	night where I was asked to understandably, in fact, predictably and almost obligatory,
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