Hello, everybody. Welcome to Three Point Perspective. The podcast about illustration, how to do it,

how to make a living at it, how to make an impact on the world with your art. I'm Jake Parker.

I'm Lee White. And I'm Will Terry. And all three of us are professional illustrators. We've all

work for all the major publishers in the business.

Together we publish somewhere around 75 children's books and we've all taught illustration at university art schools. That's right. Each week we come back at you guys with

fantastic illustrator interviews or interesting illustrator questions like you might have.

Sometimes we agree, sometimes we argue, but each time you learn

something France Banking new. That's right. And today we're going to dig into how do you know

what level of artist you're at? So a lot of times I do this too where sometimes you might think

you're better than you actually are. Sometimes you might think you're worse than you actually are.

And it's really hard to self-evaluate the level that you're at.

Let me ask you a question real quick, Jake.

Why would somebody need to know that?

That's a great question.

What do you think, Will?

Well, you need to know what level you're at so you know what to work on. So you know, I mean, like, I think there's a, there's a

thing with artists. And maybe it's not just the art community where we maybe it's more of the

artist entrepreneur community where we overest it's more of the artist entrepreneur

community where we overestimate our abilities. We'd be paralyzed without that. So it's actually a good

thing sometimes, right? I mean, because if you knew where you really were, you might just not even

try because you'd say, well, what's the point, right? I mean, like, we all fought through that artists don't make any money thing, right?

Like, you can't make any money as an artist.

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