Hello and welcome to Radical Kander, a podcast from Panoply and Gretchen Rubin's Onward Project about how not to hate the boss you have or be the boss you hate.

I'm Kim Scott, co-founder of Candor, Inc., former executive at Google and Apple, CEO coach at Twitter, Dropbox, and a bunch of other great companies.

I'm also the author of Radical Kander.

And I'm Russ Larraway, also co-founder of Kander, Inc.

and career-long operational manager across the Marines, Google, and Twitter.

Today on the show, we're talking about body language.

Most of communication is nonverbal,

and there is a lot you can learn from body language. This, of course, applies to all aspects of life,

but we've got some ideas for how body language can help you out specifically at work.

Throughout the episode, we'll share a story about getting feedback through body language.

We'll share a listener's story about sending a nonverbal message without realizing it.

And we'll finish with tips for how body language can help you at work in our candor checklist.

Let's get started.

We talk a lot about in-person communication on our blog

post and in the tips in the Candor Coach app. And really, it's all about what you can learn from

body language. So today, we're excited to have guests Amy Chang on the show to tell us a story

about how body language helped her out. Amy is a good friend of mine and Russ is from

Google and she is the founder and CEO of a company. If you haven't downloaded the Accompany app,

you should do it immediately. You will never be unprepared for a meeting again. Yeah, it's a really good

tool. Thank you so much for being here, Amy.

It's my pleasure, you too. Completely my pleasure. Amy, you have such a great story about

talking with an employee and making a big realization based on body language. Do you mind telling

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