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What's the Endgame in DHS Brutality?

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KQED

News, Politics, News Commentary

4.2 • 726 Ratings

🗓️ 28 January 2026

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

The fatal shooting of Alex Pretti on Saturday, the second U.S. citizen killed by federal agents in Minneapolis this month, is drawing bipartisan outrage. Many Americans are questioning the broader purpose of the deadly tactics and the Trump Administration’s defense of agents’ conduct. Meanwhile, Senate Democrats say they’ll block DHS funding, which could lead to a government shutdown, as calls for the impeachment of DHS Secretary Kristi Noem grow. We discuss the guardrails that could keep our democracy safe and we want to hear from you: What do you think is the administration’s endgame, and what could make the violence stop? Guests: Zack Beauchamp, senior correspondent, Vox - covering challenges to democracy and right-wing populism; author, "The Reactionary Spirit" Claudia Grisales , congressional correspondent, NPR Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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From KQED. Welcome to Forum. I'm Mina Kim. Border Patrol commander Greg Bovino is reportedly

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returning to California.

0:56.0

He oversaw and was the face of the operation in Minneapolis that resulted in the killings

1:00.4

of two Americans by federal agents within two weeks of each other. The leadership change in

1:05.9

Minneapolis to border czar Tom Homan is among a handful of moves by President Trump,

1:12.3

including distancing himself from key administration officials' characterization of Alex Prettie, the 37-year-old ICU nurse,

1:18.7

as a domestic terrorist bent on killing law enforcement, a claim refuted by multiple videos

1:25.0

that has also drawn bipartisan ire.

1:30.1

Here's Republican Senator Tom Tillis yesterday,

1:36.2

speaking to reporters about DHS Secretary Kristy Noem and White House Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller.

1:40.6

One of the people that came out publicly and said that this guy was a terrorist before he had even talked with anybody on the ground, and that's clearly not the case now. So I mean, it's just, I mean, Stephen Miller never fails to live up to my expectations of incompetence. Why do you think he would be fired? I, you know, I'm going to lay that up to the president. I can tell you, if I were president, neither one of them would be in Washington right now. But do you think gnomes would step? I think Noam inside what, I mean, I think if Noam looks at her body of work, I could not be.

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If I were in her position, I can't think of any point in pride over the last year.

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Another Republican, Senate leader John Thune, called Pretty's killing an inflection point.

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