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Moral Maze

What's the bigger threat to Europe: "cultural erasure", or far-right populism?

Moral Maze

BBC

Society & Culture, Religion & Spirituality

4.4623 Ratings

🗓️ 18 December 2025

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Tommy Robinson's carol concert claimed to be "putting Christ back into Christmas". Church of England Bishops quickly pointed out that Christ never went away and warned about Christmas becoming another proxy in the culture wars. Many of Robinson's supporters are turning to Christianity. Some have openly stated that the Christian faith is a cultural ballast, representing British freedoms and values, and a defence against a perceived threat posed by Islam and immigrants. For others, Christianity and Christmas is being appropriated in the most un-Christian way, the Holy Family were persecuted refugees, and a central message of Jesus was one of radical hospitality for the stranger.

This year, Christmas comes at the time of a wider debate about so-called "civilizational erasure" in Europe, following the publication of America's National Security Strategy. It boldly states that, within a few decades, NATO members will be "majority non-European", encourages the resistance - and praises the influence - of "patriotic" European parties, including Alternative fur Deutschland (AfD) in Germany, a far-right anti-immigration party.

Is a full-throated defence of Christmas a sign of strength or weakness? What's the bigger threat to Europe: "cultural erasure", or far-right populism?

Chair: Michael Buerk Panel: Giles Fraser, Inaya Folarin-Iman, Anne McElvoy and Matthew Taylor Witnesses: Chris Wickland, Krish Kandiah, Eric Kaufmann and Adrian Pabst Producer: Dan Tierney.

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0:00.0

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts.

0:07.0

My Christmas Mix is pure 90s festive nostalgia.

0:11.1

You know, the Christmas songs you listen to on repeat.

0:14.0

Ho!

0:14.3

Ho! Ho! No, no, no.

0:17.5

I'm all about the big hitting Christmas anthems.

0:20.4

Come on, guys. What about those tunes that really slay?

0:23.7

It's Christmas kitchen disco season, surely.

0:26.4

Give me hip-hip-christmas bangers every day. Those Christmas tracks that are straight out of Lapland.

0:30.9

Get all kinds of Christmassy. Just search Christmas music on BBC Sounds.

0:35.9

Good evening. America's latest national security review was something less than a Christmas card

0:41.3

to its allies this side of the Atlantic. The scorn was undisguised. Europe was facing

0:46.8

civilizational erasure. Its immigration policies would make the continent unrecognizable in 20 years

0:53.2

or less.

0:58.5

The one light for Mr Trump's administration in this apocalyptic gloom was the growth of what it called patriotic parties,

1:01.5

which were struggling to revive Western identity.

1:05.0

These parties, mainly on the far right,

1:07.4

are increasingly embracing Christianity as the emblem and expression of the culture

1:12.2

and values they say they're defending. Here, the right-wing activist Tommy Robinson staged a

1:18.2

carol service in Whitehall at the weekend, saying he was putting Christ back into Christmas,

1:23.5

to the horror of bishops who've talked of Christianity being used to justify racism and anti-migrant rhetoric.

1:31.2

So is the co-opting of Christmas a sign of strength or weakness?

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