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we recently did that episode on the odd lots podcast I'm Joe Wiesendall and I'm Tracy allowit.

Tracy you know we recently did that episode down in Austin with a jigger

Shah of the Department of Energy and he said a bunch of interesting things about nuclear.

I mean we talked about a lot of stuff related to electrification, decarbonization,

but I think both of us found like the nuclear comments to be particularly interesting.

Well absolutely so there were a couple things to pull out there. On the one hand he sounded positive

in the sense that maybe nuclear is getting more traction than it has previously.

You have these new types of, was it smaller, modular reactors?

Which he described as neither small nor modular.

So I have questions about that.

And you know, and sort of groundswell potentially of support for

cleaner energy technology in which nuclear, you know, theoretically could fall.

But on the other hand, he also described these long-running structural roadblocks to nuclear at least in the US. So this idea that

there isn't really a nuclear industry. There are utilities that might own nuclear plants

but no one's really pushing for it and then also if you're a

utility CEO you're probably not going to be that incentivized to build a massive nuclear plant because historically it's been a

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