The thing I keep coming to is that maybe it really is just as simple as people want someone younger on the on the ballot. That's it.

And if you put someone younger on the ballot, they'll be like I want to vote for

that person because they seem younger. And if that is the situation we're in, then like I kind of think the case for just Biden stepping down is a pretty strong one. And to my mind, you know, it's easy to imagine the thing

Joe Biden could say, right?

Sort of like, I, you know, my priority,

the reason I got back into politics in a real way was just to keep Donald Trump away from power.

And I did it four years. I'm not sure we can make, I can do it for another four years.

I think my vice president can.

Hello and welcome to why is this happening with me your host Chris Hayes. So I am speaking to you on Monday, July 15th, mid afternoon,

which is one day before this episode should hit your podcast feeds and the reason I'm

starting with that time marker is because we tried to do something last week that we

basically never do which was a sort of on the news cycle with pod you know

with pod tends to be a podcast that's sort of a step the news

cycle with pod, tends to be a podcast that's sort of a step removed from the new cycle intentionally.

Obviously, I have a nightly TV show on MS NBC at 8 PM where we're

relentlessly on the new cycle, but withOT allows a step back and we can do topics

that are esoteric or even topics that are sort of on what's in the news like the campaign

but with a sort of step removed to look at say the policy records of Donald Trump and

Joe Biden in immigration. Anyway, long way of saying last week I was like let's just

do something about this conversation happening about the Democratic Party and

who its nominee should be and whether that should be Joe Biden who of course won the primary going away

or he should step down and endorse Kamala Harris or someone else at an open convention this was a conversation that had sort of enveloped and

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