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Hello and welcome to Covey has shots as spectators daily politics podcast.

I'm Katie Balls, and I'm joined by James O'Syfe from Fraser Nelson.

So it's the morning after the night before when it comes to ITV's debate,

but that could be the last debate we get for some time.

Sky News would you to hold their leaders debate on Tuesday night, but it has been cancelled.

Fraser, can you talk us through what has led to this event?

Well, Richie Sonner can this trust both pulled out to the Sky debate.

Now, a given that was only going to be three candidates left by the time they were going to

have a debate tomorrow night, it was I'm not quite sure if that would have really left

would have been an interview rather than a debate. I was rather dismayed when I heard this

news because I think there has been not enough debate, not enough scrutiny of process of choosing

a new Prime Minister. I think bad ideas have not probably been put to the test,

and the weaknesses in candidates position has not been shaken. Anything like as much as it should

have been. Even the candidates debates we've had so far are more in exchange of sound bites than

proper scrutiny. And I guess I'm a believer in debate. I also think that the conservative's

collective problem is that they've had nowhere near enough self-reflection as to how they

get into this mess, how they manage to translate for success of a 2019 general election into the

debacle of recent months. And if they think it's all because of Boris Johnson's parties,

then they are deluding themselves. And I'm not sure they're going to come up with answers

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