What REALLY Happened At Hillsong? Carl Lentz & Ben Houston Tell All

Lights On with Carl Lentz

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Society & Culture, Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.6 • 701 Ratings

🗓️ 16 October 2024

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

In this powerful episode of Lights On, Ben Houston and Carl Lentz sit down for a raw and vulnerable conversation about their time at Hillsong Church. The two reflect on the highs and challenges they experienced while leading in one of the most influential church communities in the world. Carl opens up about the fallout he faced during one of the most difficult seasons of his life and how, when the dust settled, Ben was one of the only people who remained by his side.

Their stories highlight friendship, loyalty, and the importance of standing by someone when life hits the hardest. With honesty and grace, Ben and Carl peel back the layers of their struggles, faith, and personal growth, providing a glimpse into moments the public never saw. Tune in to hear how these two leaders found strength in vulnerability and forged a deeper bond through adversity.

This episode of Lights On promises to inspire with stories of redemption, resilience, and the kind of friendship that endures through the darkest seasons.

Chapter Markers:

0:00 - Introduction

1:22 - Guest Introduction and Context

3:50 - Adjusting to Changes, Facing the Hardest Parts, Navigating Church

15:53 - What Would Ben and Carl Do Differently?

23:47 - Ad: Download the BSIDE App - https://www.bsideapp.com/pricing

24:35 - A Son Watching the Fallout

29:32 - That Wasn't Fair Towards Ben

32:19 - You Came Anyway

34:11 - Every Story Has Many Sides, Choosing the High Road

37:58 - Ben's Burnout

50:21 - Finding Health, Finding Sanity

51:18 - What Helped Ben Clear the Cloud

55:24 - Final Remarks and Conclusion

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0:22.4	When people ask me about Hillsong Church, they want me to rip it to shreds, and I'm like, I just, I can't do it, man. I hate to break it to you. It's really not that special. I started a domino effect, and were there cracks in the armor? In everybody's armor, there are cracks. I feel like if I were to go back and do something different, it would have been to have a little bit more of an open, loose hand. I was a controller, and I was certain about stuff. I wanted to call this podcast, I could be wrong, but I'm probably not. That was the original name. I could be
0:28.0	wrong. So I approach every conversation and every thought now with that as my posture. I like that
0:33.5	you say now. You always been like that? Oh, no. I remember, bro.
0:39.1	A couple years ago, it would have been... I'm always right.
0:40.0	20 years ago, I had the chance at a Hillson conference to interview Bishop C.D. Jakes, you know, I'm sitting there.
0:45.3	I'm so young.
0:46.5	And I remember asking a bunch of my friends, you know, what should I ask?
0:48.9	First of all, easiest dude ever to interview. Bishop, what do you think about the sky? God, greatest.
0:56.0	The next 40 minutes.
0:57.0	It's actually what I'm going to say.
1:01.0	You know, I understand even the fact of you and me talking on this podcast.
1:04.0	If this thing goes to where people listen to it, people are going to be like, what are they going to say?
1:08.0	Houston and Carl talking and all of this.
1:12.8	They've already made up their mind what they want to believe.
1:13.4	100%. And it doesn't matter what sound bites that come of this,
1:17.2	it's going to back up this view and that view and whatever else.
1:20.7	I think it's hard right now in this season to talk about certain aspects
1:25.4	because I think about 40 years of Hillsong Church.
1:34.5	Benny Houston.
1:36.6	Colin.
1:38.5	It is, it is, we were obviously just talking right before we press play here.
1:46.1	And I can't believe that we're hanging out in the same room right here in Cali.
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