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Worst. Transition. Ever.

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News, News Commentary, Politics

4.56K Ratings

🗓️ 16 November 2020

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

In the summer of 2020, a group of people tried to imagine the most likely outcomes of the presidential election. They nailed it. But what may come next is harder to fathom. 

Guest: Rosa Brooks, co-founder of the Transition Integrity Project. 

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0:00.0

The last few days have found President Trump engaged in a linguistic battle against the truth.

0:11.4

It's as if his mind knows the jig is up, but the rest of him just can't recognize it. Not yet.

0:18.0

Trump's still firmly claiming he's won a second term, still deploying Rudy Giuliani to go on TV, and defend all those lawsuits he's filed against election administrators all over the country.

0:29.4

But then, the president will have these little moments where reality seems to creep in, almost to the subliminal level.

0:38.1

It started on Friday with a coronavirus press conference where Trump almost nearly

0:44.2

acknowledged the incoming administration.

0:47.0

Ideally, we won't go to a lockdown. I will not go. This administration will not be going

0:51.9

to a lockdown. Hopefully the, whatever happens in the future,

0:56.0

who knows which administration will be, I guess time will tell. But I can tell you, this administration

1:01.0

will not go to a lockdown. There won't be necessary. Then, on Sunday, Trump tweeted that Joe Biden

1:07.6

won the election, which seemed like breaking news, until he went on to claim the

1:12.7

election was rigged. Right now, I feel like we're in this like in between, I can't tell.

1:18.7

Are we in a crisis? Are we not? I don't know yet. We'll see. This is Rosa Brooks, Professor

1:25.2

at Georgetown Law. I wanted to talk to her about all this,

1:28.8

because she spent the last few months thinking about all the ways the president could play out

1:33.3

his final weeks in office. And I thought she'd know better than anyone how this back and forth

1:37.9

could resolve itself. How does one become an expert in presidential transitions?

1:44.0

I don't know, because I'm not one.

1:47.0

But you're the one we're all calling.

1:48.8

I know.

1:49.3

I don't know why you're all calling me.

1:51.0

To be fair, Rosa did found something called the Transition Integrity Project.

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