What Next - Trump Went to Court—But Left Early
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🗓️ 2 April 2026
⏱️ 27 minutes
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Summary
Even with Trump in attendance, it didn’t look like the Supreme Court was buying his administration’s attack on the 14th amendment and birthright citizenship. But how the justices decide the case could leave the door open for another, savvier attempt to overturn birthright citizenship in the future.
Guest: Jamelle Bouie, opinion columnist at The New York Times.
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| 0:00.0 | Jamel Bowie, how are you doing after those Supreme Court arguments? |
| 0:10.1 | I am feeling a little better than I did going into it. |
| 0:13.6 | I'll say that. |
| 0:14.5 | That's how I'm doing. |
| 0:15.5 | I'm feeling better than I did going into the oral arguments. |
| 0:19.6 | New York Times columnist Jamel Bowie has spent months thinking, writing, and worrying about |
| 0:25.7 | the birthright citizenship case that just went in front of the Supreme Court. |
| 0:31.0 | Jamel hates that this case got argued, which is why yesterday was such a relief. |
| 0:35.9 | Most of the justices, it seems, feel the same way. |
| 0:42.3 | I mean, most of the justices, I would fairly say skeptical, but even if you were almost |
| 0:47.2 | contemptuous of the argument. |
| 0:48.7 | And that's sort of what you want to hear in this particular case. |
| 0:51.7 | You kind of don't want them to be being all that respectful of the argument, |
| 0:55.3 | because the argument, frankly, isn't worthy of respect. |
| 0:58.6 | They seem to be enjoying playing around a little bit to me, |
| 1:02.0 | like kittens with a ball or something. |
| 1:05.5 | Yes, yes. |
| 1:06.2 | I think that's... |
| 1:06.9 | Kittens with a ball is exactly the right. |
| 1:09.0 | Kind of amuse, kind of somewhat predatory in the case of a few of the justices. |
| 1:15.5 | But again, this is what you want to hear when it comes with this particular case. |
| 1:19.4 | Because, you know, as I've been writing for a minute now, there's just no there there. |
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