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What Next | Trump v. the Judiciary

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News, News Commentary, Politics

4.6 • 6K Ratings

🗓️ 5 May 2025

⏱️ 29 minutes

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Summary

Is the arrest of Milwaukee County Judge Hannah Dugan the start of Trump’s open war on judges? Guest: Jeremy Fogel, retired federal judge and executive director for the Berkeley Judicial Institute. Want more What Next? Join Slate Plus to unlock full, ad-free access to What Next and all your  other favorite Slate podcasts. You can subscribe directly from the What Next show page on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. Or, visit slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, Ethan Oberman, Isabel Angell, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Transcript

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0:00.0

Amazon offers term time working to their employees, like Anton,

0:05.0

who's home to look after his daughters during their holidays.

0:10.0

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0:11.0

To him, this is the best sound in the world.

0:13.0

Daddy!

0:14.0

Actually, maybe that's the best sound of all.

0:23.2

Now that's term time working.

0:24.6

Offered at Amazon.

0:26.9

Ten weeks off guaranteed per year.

0:29.1

Mix of paid holiday and unpaid time off.

0:29.9

Conditions apply.

0:45.0

So I have a number for you. Since Donald Trump took office, courts have ruled against him more than 70 times. This is according to Reuters. They've added up judicial orders that question the administration's

0:51.7

approach to immigration, to government spending, to transgender military members.

0:58.0

And you know what?

0:59.4

I think Donald Trump is beginning to notice.

1:02.2

I want to talk about one way.

1:03.5

We have to be treated fairly by judges,

1:05.9

and we're not being treated fairly by all judges.

1:09.9

In interviews commemorating his 100th day in office, President Trump kept circling back to this

1:17.0

point, that the courts, judges, are holding him back.

1:22.5

In one conversation, he nodded along with the interviewer suggested his losses amounted to a judicial insurrection.

1:31.9

You know, I noticed the New York Times describing the courts as the last bulwark against Trump.

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