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What Next: TBD | How Elon Wields Power

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News, News Commentary, Politics

4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 4 May 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

What is it about the way that Elon Musk wields power that led 65 percent of Americans to agree he has too much influence on the federal government? Guest: Faiz Siddiqui, Washington Post tech reporter and author of “Hubris Maximus: The Shattering of Elon Musk.” Want more What Next TBD? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Just a heads up that we start this episode with a discussion of a fatal car crash.

0:05.6

You might not want to listen with kids.

0:07.9

Okay, here's the show.

0:14.3

On March 23rd of 2018, Walter Huang dropped his son off at preschool.

0:20.1

Wang was 38.

0:21.4

He worked as a software engineer for Apple, and he'd recently purchased a Tesla Model X.

0:26.8

He liked his car so much that he joined a Facebook group about it.

0:32.1

And he was a devoted fan of Tesla and autopilot.

0:36.8

I write in the book that he would, you know, watch videos,

0:40.8

you know, about Tesla and autopilot in his spare time. That's Washington Post reporter Fez Siddiqui.

0:47.2

And the book he's talking about is one he just wrote, hubris Maximus, the shattering of Elon Musk.

0:54.4

Walter Poyne trusted Tesla. He trusted autopilot to the extent that, you know, one day after

1:00.4

dropping his child off at school, he sets his Tesla to autopilot on his way to work, and he

1:07.4

sort of drifts off or becomes overly trusting of it, as investigators later concluded.

1:14.1

He fires up a video game on his phone. He's on the 101 in California. The autopilot maintains

1:22.9

its set speed. It keeps its distance behind other vehicles, but eventually it loses its lane.

1:31.0

And the car, as I write in the book, does what it's programmed to do.

1:36.0

You know, once it's in that sort of no-man's land, it's lost its lane.

1:40.0

It speeds up to match what it anticipates might be the flow of traffic.

1:47.3

And this car speeds up and ends up crashing into a highway barrier.

1:56.4

The car was traveling at 71 miles per hour.

2:00.0

When it hit the barrier, it spun counterclockwise and the front part of the car separated from the back.

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