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What Next | Trump’s Middle East Diplomacy

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News, News Commentary, Politics

4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 14 May 2025

⏱️ 30 minutes

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Summary

Ahead of his first trip to the region, Donald Trump’s policies toward the Middle East have been full of surprises. He wants sanctions on Syria lifted; he revealed the U.S. has been negotiating directly with Hamas; and he’s considering a new nuclear deal with Iran—and without consulting with Israel.  Guest: Gregg Carlstrom, Middle East correspondent for the Economist. Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Ethan Oberman, Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, Isabel Angell, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

In late August 1992, Randy Weaver and his family were refusing to come down from the remote Idaho mountaintop where they lived.

0:09.0

Weaver, a fugitive on a federal firearms charge, has been hold up in a cabin near Naples for more than a year.

0:15.0

The government thought Randy Weaver was a dangerous, possibly violent extremist.

0:20.0

Randy and his wife Vicky thought the government

0:23.0

was an agent of Satan on earth. When it was all over, three people were dead, and the government

0:29.2

had spent millions of dollars to catch one man. We'll find out why the siege at Ruby Ridge

0:34.7

unfolded the way it did, and think about some of the questions it raises.

0:39.4

What should we do about white supremacists? Why has the story of Ruby Ridge become an enduring

0:45.3

myth for the far right? And whose fault was it anyway?

0:51.0

Subscribe to Standoff, what happened at Ruby Ridge Ridge in Apple Podcasts or wherever you listen.

1:05.5

This week, President Trump is taking his show on the road.

1:10.5

And Greg Carlstrom, from over at The Econom economist, he's got a front row seat.

1:14.9

I'm in Riyadh right now, following Donald Trump around on the first leg of his trip in the Middle East.

1:25.3

By Friday, Trump will have spent time in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates.

1:32.1

Greg says it's hard to overstate how thrilled Middle Eastern leaders are to host the president.

1:37.9

I mean, there was competition.

1:39.5

So he's coming for four days and three nights.

1:42.0

And everyone wanted to host him for two nights. Everyone wanted to

1:46.5

have him for an extra night. And so there was a lot of back and forth trying to figure out,

1:51.9

you know, who would win in the schedule in that way. In the end, he's spending one night in each

1:57.0

country so that he doesn't offend anyone. Yeah, I was struck by how comfortable Saudi Arabia seemed to want to make Trump.

2:03.7

Like, I was seeing that there's actually a mobile McDonald's, like, on site for the president,

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