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What Next: The Plot Against Pope Francis | 2023 In Review

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🗓️ 25 December 2023

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

While the What Next team spends some time with their families this week, we revisit some of 2023’s biggest, strangest, and best stories. Regularly scheduled programming resumes Jan. 2. Not all of the Cardinals who elected Pope Francis are pleased with the changes he’s made, or his vision for where the Catholic Church goes next. Both the 86-year-old Francis and his detractors are preparing for his successor. Who’ll prevail? Guest: David Gibson, Director of Fordham's Center on Religion & Culture Originally aired Feb. 2. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Amicus—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Carmel Delshad, and Madeline Ducharme, with help from Anna Phillips, Jared Downing, and Laura Spencer. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Hey everyone. Here at what next our job is to ask questions. And this year we asked a lot of serious ones about war, politics, fascism, health care. But some of our questions, we're a little less

0:15.9

orthodox. Questions like has pickleball invaded our towns? Do aliens exist? And is Stephen Spielberg actually cursed?

0:26.0

Since it's the holidays, we're going to take a break from the headlines and listen back to some of our wackier questions.

0:33.0

So if you're on a little vacation from the news right now,

0:36.0

we promise, these shows are going to be like unwrapping a present,

0:40.0

the kind you actually want to get.

0:42.0

Today, since it's Christmas, we're pontificating about the pontiff.

0:47.0

This has been a big year for the Pope, in case you did not know.

0:51.0

He's gotten involved with politics, urging a ceasefire in Gaza, telling world leaders

0:55.7

to act on climate change. And just last week, he made news when he said priests could

1:01.2

bless same-sex couples. But not everyone it turns out is

1:05.2

into this activist Pope. Back in February we talked about why. Here's a show. I think David Gibson would admit that he's a straight up fan of Pope Francis.

1:21.0

He's a fun guy. He's got a great sense of humor. He likes joking around.

1:26.7

David's the director of Fordham's Center on Religion and Culture, but his first job was with

1:31.4

Vatican Radio, so he's been Pope watching for a while.

1:35.0

Hold it, how do you know that? Have you joked with Pope Francis?

1:39.0

I haven't joked with him personally. I've been there in large rooms where he's told jokes.

1:44.8

One of David's favorite funny Francis stories is from his first year as Pope.

1:49.8

The Holy Father was circulating in Vatican City when he ran into a couple of newlyweds.

1:55.0

They worked for a charity that sends clowns to entertain young cancer patients.

1:59.0

And they gave him one of those stick-on red noses, you know, those foam red noses, and the

2:03.7

Pope put it on, so there's a picture out there of the Pope, you know, the vicar of

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