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So Anat, I'm curious how closely you've been following what Joe Biden has to say about abortion

right now. Pretty closely. Sort of my job. Anat Shinkirisario is the kind of political consultant

who tells Democrats what to say and how to say it. I called her up because I was wondering what

Democrats should start saying about abortion. What do you see there? Um, I see a mix of things which

I think is my perennial answer to the question of what I see in Joe Biden. I see claiming the

moral high ground, which is an incredibly important thing to do in any issue area. This one

arguably more than others. And then I also see trepidation. I see caution. I see concern.

Anat doesn't love this trepidation, but it was on full display when President Biden got

pressed to respond to the Supreme Court's draft opinion just hours after it leaked. Biden was

standing on the tarmac at Andrews Air Force Base when reporters started peppering him with questions.

What's the thing in the room? Like the draft, the police first of all. He talked about he used

the words abort a child. So the idea that we're going to make a judgment that is going to say that

no one can make the judgment to choose to abort a child based on decision by the Supreme Court.

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