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What Next: TBD | Tech, power, and the future - Trump Visits the First World

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4.56K Ratings

🗓️ 15 May 2026

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

Between artificial intelligence, the Iran War, and the future of Taiwan, there’s a lot for the United States and China to hash out—not least of which being the pecking order.


Guest: Josh Chin, senior global correspondent for the Wall Street Journal.


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Podcast production by Evan Campbell, and Patrick Fort.




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0:00.0

Recently, this one concept has been circulating on Chinese social media.

0:10.1

Kill line, which is a sort of gamer speak for the point at which a video game character can be killed off with one blow.

0:19.7

That's Josh Chin, senior global correspondent for the Wall Street Journal based in Asia.

0:25.2

And Chinese social media users for the past several months have been talking a lot about the American kill line,

0:31.3

this idea that life in America is so precarious that anyone is just like a lost job away from being homeless.

0:39.2

Or, you know, and then, you know, you can lose your health insurance.

0:42.4

You could not be able to pay rent.

0:43.9

Inflation is out of control.

0:45.2

And that, like, that people in the U.S. are always on the verge of some sort of disaster.

0:55.8

I feel pretty confident that this was not the idea of America that President Trump,

1:01.2

his administration, and the tag-along band of CEOs at the U.S.-China summit wanted to convey.

1:08.0

It's telling that one of the first things Xi Jinping did upon meeting Trump

1:12.4

was tell him that not handling Taiwan correctly could lead to an extremely dangerous situation.

1:19.8

You don't generally lean on a country you're threatened by.

1:24.3

This message that the U.S. is this sort of dangerous and chaotic place is starting to gain traction in China in a way that I hope they've seen before.

1:33.6

And, you know, that's, that can't help but have an impact on, you know, the way that any U.S. leader is interacting with the Chinese leader. I mean, in the past,

1:46.2

most Chinese people sort of saw the U.S. as a shining city on a hill and they really, you know,

1:49.7

you would have George H.W. Bush, George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama, when they visited,

1:57.0

they would have these public events and there would be huge crowds who come out to see them.

2:00.7

And, you know, they were quite admired. And even, you know, Chinese state media would carry their, I mean, obviously, censored versions of their remarks, but they would carry their remarks. And so, and you just don't get as much of that. I mean, probably that's because China doesn't want to give Trump that sort of platform. But also, I think there's just the feelings that Chinese people have towards the U.S.

2:19.5

are much more complicated than they used to be.

2:26.4

Today on the show, a fractured America, a skeptical China, and a profoundly interconnected economy.

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