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What Next TBD: It's Hot. It's Flooding. Is This the New Normal?

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News, News Commentary, Politics

4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 16 July 2021

⏱️ 20 minutes

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Welcome to the Slate News feed! We’ll be sharing daily episodes from Slate’s podcasts What Next, What Next: TBD, The Waves, and A Word. Listen for everything you need to know about the news this week. Over the last month, North Americans have seen record-breaking heat, droughts, wildfires, and floods. The science is clear: we are living through the effects of climate change. Now scientists are trying to answer: is this the new normal? Guest: Daniel Swain, climate scientist at UCLA Host Lizzie O’Leary Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Last week, I was sitting on my in-laws porch in coastal Georgia, watching the rain and

0:08.8

wind and lightning pummel the beach in front of us.

0:12.9

It was part of Tropical Storm Elsa, and as we were watching it, my husband and I started

0:17.3

talking about the strength of this storm, about the likelihood of more, about the heat

0:22.8

that was roasting the Pacific Northwest, and Colorado, and California.

0:27.4

And I wanted to know whether all these extreme events were caused by climate change.

0:32.9

It's a natural question, but it's also what climate scientists like Daniel Swain think

0:38.7

is the wrong one.

0:40.7

My reaction to the question of, did climate change cause this, say, extreme weather event

0:47.8

of some kind in some specific place, is actually frustration with the way the question is being

0:55.2

framed?

0:56.2

Swain studies the intersection of climate and weather at UCLA.

1:00.1

And he says that when you pose the question, the way I did, you almost always get a preordained

1:04.9

no, because no one thing causes any one weather event.

1:10.0

And so the real answer I think that people are looking for is actually to the slightly

1:14.5

different question of, did climate change affect the likelihood or the severity of the

1:19.9

thing I just experienced?

1:22.6

And the answer to that lately is yes.

1:28.8

It's not like California has never seen wildfires before, or the West has never seen drought

1:33.7

before, or New York City has never seen summer thunderstorms and downpours before.

1:39.5

The question really is a matter of degrees, literally.

1:45.4

Today on the show, Daniel teaches us how to ask the right questions about climate change,

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