Hey, Trump Castle listeners, it's me, Virginia Heffernan.

For the past four years, I've hosted Trumpcast on this feed.

I've done hundreds of episodes, each one devoted to another angle on the Trump catastrophe.

And then all of a sudden, it was blessedly over.

Trump is out, but sometimes the Republic still seems broke down.

My next podcast after Trump is a guidebook alongside legal scholars Jack Goldsmith and Bob Bauer,

both excellent former Trumpcast guests, to reforming our laws, norms, and ethical codes,

so we'll never get in.fix again.

You'll hear from Mary Trump, David Corn, David Farron told,

and some of your favorite voices from Trumpcast.

After Trump is coming soon to a podcast app near you.

To learn more, go to aftertrumppod.com.

That's aftertrumppod.com.

But I've got some other big news.

I want to introduce you to another slate podcast that I hope you'll check out.

It's called What Next, and it's one of my favorites.

Every weekday, host Mary Harris takes on one big story and goes deep behind the headlines.

What next helps you sift through the news, giving you the kind of understanding

you won't find just scrolling on your phone.

So check it out.

And if you enjoy the episode, make sure to subscribe to What Next in your podcast app.

The house will come to order.

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