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slash what next survey. Okay, onto the show. If there is one campaign promise, that I'm pretty sure Donald Trump wants to deliver on,

it is mass deportation.

My evidence for this is simple. I watched a whole lot of Trump talking over the last few months.

Listen to enough of Trump's speeches and you'll get the idea.

Immigrants aren't great. They could kill you. And we got to do something about it.

A couple days back, the president-elect started outlining how he was going to get something done

in a very Trumpian way. When an activist on Truth Social wrote that the new administration plan to declare a national

emergency to rev up mass deportation, Trump responded with an eager, all caps, true.

But it's hard to glean much from what is essentially a retweet.

Even the words mass deportation seem vague. Deportation of whom?

I mean, I think it's intentionally broad. Molly O'Toole covered immigration at the LA Times for years.

I asked her to try to fill in the blanks with me. I think that we have some more details now,

but these are also sort of, you know, these are really trial balloons.

And this is sort of the playbook that we saw in Trump administration 1.0.

How mass do you think the deportations are going to be?

I think that what we're going to see is in the first few days, in the first few weeks of the Trump administration, is sort of this shock and awe for lack of a better term.

I mean, Stephen Miller himself has called it a blitz.

We're going to try and sort of overwhelm the system with these broad actions.

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