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What Next | How To Lose a Government Shutdown

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🗓️ 11 November 2025

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

It has been the longest government shutdown on record. Why did the Democrats choose this moment—right after elections proved how unpopular Donald Trump and his policies truly are—to cave in and end it? Guest: Jamelle Bouie, New York Times opinion columnist. Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

I called up Jamel Bowie from over at the New York Times,

0:09.5

because after this weekend, I was mad.

0:12.6

Like, really mad.

0:14.8

And I wanted to talk to someone about it.

0:19.8

So, Jamel, now that it seems like the shutdown is ending, can you tell me what was the last six weeks about?

0:29.8

What was the last six weeks about? Yeah.

0:34.2

Late Sunday night, as you've probably heard, eight Senate Democrats decided to vote with Republicans

0:40.2

to pass a continuing resolution to fund the government. This, after sitting on their hands for six

0:47.0

weeks, in the hopes that Republicans would sign off on extending a bunch of health care tax credits

0:52.3

that expire at the end of the year.

1:00.1

In the end, Democrats compromised, but those ACA credits, they are still expiring.

1:06.7

And beyond a vague promise to hold a vote on them in December, Democrats did not get squat.

1:10.1

That's what really nodded at me. Hence the call to Jamel.

1:22.2

To step back a little bit, shutdowns as a political tactic have never been especially successful for the party that engages in them, which is the congressional minority party.

1:24.4

So were the Democrats destined to lose here?

1:28.4

So, yeah, that's where I'm going with this. I'm not sure that there is a world in which the majority, Republicans in Congress and President Trump, were going to

1:35.1

concede to Democrats, to lose face in that way. The fact that Democrats held on for 40 days

1:42.5

is actually, you know, I would not have expected that.

1:47.2

The problem is that senators themselves are portraying what they've done here as a cave.

1:52.5

Well, Joe, you have to go back to what the strategy was at the beginning of the shutdown.

1:56.2

Like this is Senator Angus King of Maine on MSNBC, explaining his vote. There were two goals, both of which I support. One was standing up to Donald Trump.

2:04.6

The other was getting some resolution on the ACA premium tax credit issue.

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