How ICE Is Weaponizing Therapy
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🗓️ 19 February 2020
⏱️ 25 minutes
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Summary
Unaccompanied minors at the border are required to speak to a therapist on a weekly basis. Now, officials with Immigration and Customs Enforcement are able to use what was once confidential against these young migrants in court.
Guest: Hannah Dreier, national reporter for the Washington Post
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| 0:00.0 | Hannah Dreyer is a reporter at the Washington Post. |
| 0:07.8 | She likes to look at the vast and tangled immigration infrastructure we've built in this country |
| 0:12.8 | from a very particular point of view. I noticed something about your reporting when I was |
| 0:18.5 | looking back at the work you do, which is like you spend a lot of your time talking to teenagers. I'm wondering why. |
| 0:26.6 | I think part of it is that I'm interested in ways to get people to pay attention to stories about immigration. |
| 0:35.6 | So I have tended to focus on the people who seem the most vulnerable. |
| 0:44.7 | Just in reporting, it keeps, I keep coming back to young people and minors as the people who are being |
| 0:53.2 | most impacted by the changes that we're seeing in the immigration system. |
| 0:58.7 | The government acknowledges that young people are especially vulnerable. |
| 1:03.2 | Minors who migrate here are given education, even therapy, before they're released. |
| 1:09.2 | But a few months back, Hannah started to notice this change in how kids and their lawyers |
| 1:14.3 | were thinking about this help. |
| 1:16.3 | I was talking to immigration advocates and immigration lawyers about the way that therapy works |
| 1:22.8 | in migrant child shelters. |
| 1:25.1 | And people started to tell me about cases where their clients had been |
| 1:31.0 | deported or had been held because of what they had told therapists. |
| 1:39.3 | Just for a second, think of all the weird things you might tell a therapist, especially if you had just traveled a few hundred miles on your own and landed in a detention center on the border with no idea of what would happen next. |
| 1:55.3 | And a lot of lawyers told me about cases like this in which some tossed off remark or a dream they had that they |
| 2:03.6 | shared with a therapist came up in legal proceedings. |
| 2:06.7 | A dream? |
| 2:07.8 | Yeah, yeah, I heard a couple cases like this. |
| 2:11.6 | One lawyer told me about a client who had dreamed of a relative's death. |
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