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When Joe Biden and congressional leadership scheduled a big meeting this week,

to talk about the debt ceiling, there's only one person I wanted to talk with about it.

Jordan Weissman, over at Semaphore.

So let's talk about the debt ceiling fine. Let's do it.

The last time we talked to Jordan, it was January.

And now, just like then, Republicans are refusing to raise the debt limit without an agreement to slash spending.

The only thing that's changed here is that the country's inched closer to the brink of insolvency.

Jordan says you can kind of think of these new negotiations as a kind to what happens around a closing time at your local bar.

Even if you've spent all night avoiding that person a few seats down, when the clock's ticking, priorities change.

You know, McCarthy's thing is that it's been months and months and months that he's been offering to talk to Biden about the debt ceiling.

And Biden's been turning him down and you know, we didn't have to wait all this time for negotiations, which...

Jordan Because he's just not that into you, Kevin.

Jordan Yeah, he's just not... Well now he's a little bit more into him.

It's 3.30am in the bar and Biden's thinking of finally buying Kevin a drink.

Jordan That's just me and Kevin.

Jordan Yes.

Jordan We're at that stage of negotiations.

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