What Next | Can Zionism Survive This War?

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4.6 • 6K Ratings

🗓️ 4 June 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

After 20 months of war, with violence erupting far from the Middle East, where is the future of Zionism headed? Guest: Isaac Saul, Tangle executive editor and author of “I think I’m leaving Zionism, or Zionism is leaving me.” Want more What Next? Subscribe to Slate Plus to access ad-free listening to the whole What Next family and across all your favorite Slate podcasts. Subscribe today on Apple Podcasts by clicking “Try Free” at the top of our show page. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to get access wherever you listen. Podcast production by Ethan Oberman, Elena Schwartz, Paige Osburn, Anna Phillips, Madeline Ducharme, Isabel Angell, and Rob Gunther. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.8	Amazon offers term time working to their employees, like Anton,
0:07.4	who's home to look after his daughters during their holidays.
0:10.0	Hello!
0:10.8	To him, this is the best sound in the world.
0:17.2	Actually, maybe that's the best sound of all.
0:23.1	Now that's term time working.
0:24.5	Offered at Amazon.
0:26.8	Ten weeks off guaranteed per year.
0:29.0	Mix of paid holiday and unpaid time off.
0:29.8	Conditions apply.
0:46.7	Journalist Isaac Saul is painfully aware of a growing list of anti-Semitic crimes that have taken place since October 7, 2023.
0:50.1	He keeps track of them, week after week.
0:55.8	Shocking news from Washington that you're waking up to.
1:02.5	Last night, two Israeli embassy staff members were shot and killed as they left an event at the Capitol Jewish Museum.
1:09.2	A couple weeks ago, there was the murder of two Israeli embassy employees, a young couple.
1:12.6	They were about to be married. The suspect chanted free, free Palestine while in custody.
1:20.6	This weekend, a group of Jews in Boulder, Colorado, got set on fire. It happened at a weekly gathering to support Israeli hostages in Gaza.
1:31.3	FBI investigators say the man had a makeshift flamethrower
1:35.3	and hurled devices into that group.
1:39.3	Yeah, it feels like we're in a really scary and tenuous place right now.
1:50.2	Isaac runs a website called Tangle.
1:53.0	Its whole mission is finding a way to talk across political divides.
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