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Steve Greenhouse wrote the book on the American labor movement. Literally. It's called

Beat and Down Worked Up, the past, present, and future of American labor. And you can

tell it organizing is more than just a beat for him. Like, as soon as we got on the line,

he had this question for me. It's a very harassy, which are lame with mother Jones who are

my misrememberance. It is... mother Jones became famous for organizing mine workers in the

1900s. Yes, okay, good, yeah. My high school social studies teacher made sure that I looked

that up in the library when I was 15. And he or she didn't get fired for telling you

that. No, he was great. Steve is used to seeing labor movements get quashed. So when an

Amazon warehouse in Staten Island voted in favor of unionization last week, a historic

first, I knew Steve would be able to offer a little perspective. He said it was kind of

a miracle that this vote went down and all. To my mind, Amazon was easily the most difficult

place in the country to unionize. Amazon is fiercely anti-union. It's so darn hard to try

to unionize a place with more than 8,000 workers as the warehouse in Staten Island is. And

Amazon is famous for infamous that it has humongous turnover among workers. Workers leave

after eight months on average. So it's like hard for union or for anyone to try to reach

out to all these people before they leave. Yeah, it's hard to get a purchase. And also,

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