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What Next: A DOJ Lawyer’s Attempt to Overthrow the Election

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4.66K Ratings

🗓️ 11 August 2021

⏱️ 25 minutes

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Summary

We’re still learning the details about how Donald Trump and his supporters tried to get the 2020 presidential election results overturned. One scheme involved attorneys general across several states, and lawyers deep in the Department of Justice. This is the story of one of those lawyers, Jeffrey Bossert Clark, and his desperate attempts to keep Trump in power. Guest: Mark Joseph Stern, staff writer for Slate on the courts and law. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get benefits like zero ads on any Slate podcast, bonus episodes of shows like Slow Burn and Dear Prudence—and you’ll be supporting the work we do here on What Next. Sign up now at slate.com/whatnextplus to help support our work. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Slates Mark Joseph Stern usually covers the Supreme Court, but over the summer, with

0:10.5

the justices on vacation, he's been doing something a little different.

0:15.1

I spend a lot of time waiting through the fever swamps of conservative legal Twitter.

0:25.2

Mark is using this time to figure out how people he profoundly disagrees with, look back

0:31.7

on the election of 2020.

0:34.0

You may be trying to forget that election, forget that some people still dispute its results,

0:40.4

but Mark's fascinated, especially by the legal alchemists who tried to make overturning

0:46.2

an election seem reasonable.

0:49.0

I read a lot of tweets by the folks who tried to make this happen and the folks who cheered

0:55.7

them on from the sidelines, and others who are just insane people who happen to have JDs

1:04.2

and our members of the bar and can spew forth this effluvium of anti-democratic, arggle bargull

1:12.6

to give us a little bit of kind of like a treasure map illustrating where they're going next.

1:20.3

Are these people feeling cowed right now?

1:22.1

No, not at all.

1:23.8

Oh my God, these people are so empowered.

1:26.0

They're like, hell yeah, we did better than we ever thought last time.

1:30.1

And next time around is going to rule, baby.

1:32.4

I mean, there is not a lot of fear on the conservative right.

1:41.9

Mark has been waiting through these legal arguments on conservative Twitter, because even though

1:46.3

the election is over, he thinks these arguments are not going away.

1:52.4

Over the last few weeks, the people behind these conservative legal theories have gradually

1:57.0

come into sharper focus.

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